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by Steve Sommers
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Second Life: Land of the WEAK home of the BROKENFirst of all, I have been there, have done that. Had clubs, owned land, made friends, money, and fell in love. Second life on the surface, especially for the newbie and Entrepreneur/artist is a fun and cool place to make some friends, and make some money. It is looked at as a supercharged chat room, a video game. But the nature of its name is where the insidiousness is. As much of a second life (SL) as it might be, in order to operate you still have to use your Real Life (RL) abilities. You do not follow a different thought and emotional pattern when in SL. You can only use what you know in RL. But kidding yourself is one of the appeals of SL. You eventually get lost in it.At first it is new and exciting. Like a new video game. Learning the functions that move your avatar around, visiting places and socializing with the natives. You are perfect, and you can fly. No sickness, no need for money (well not as much) and people don’t have bad breath and, as a “normal”, “intelligent” person, it is an interesting place to explore and learn. But it eventually becomes one of three things. 1. Boring, like a video game you have played over and over. 2. An environment to explore your creative ability to design and sell things. Or, 3 it consumes your psyche.The first two are what they are; the third is the meat and potatoes of SL. This is the one that is more consistent. Do you really think the folks at Linden Labs are spending their free time on SL.? No, they are spending the money they are making in RL (SL is a business so it is RL for them) on RL things.There comes a saturation point where you walk away or get sucked in. I will say this for the last time and it does not apply to you newbie’s, or the smart ones that are making money off the lonely. It is a place to hide from reality. It is a place where weak, lost souls go to escape from the depth and breadth of life. I will allow some latitude for you shut-ins. Some people have nothing else but the four walls of the room they are in. SL can provide a form of “human” entertainment that they otherwise would not be able to get. But, that just causes the shut-in to let go of their emotional self being even more. This is a hard pill to swallow, no one wants to take a good look at them selves and most do not. But the covert nature of SL allows you to cut loose. Sort of the absolute power corrupts absolutely theory. People that stay too long get lost in it. And yes, justifying all the way, that it is just a game. For the predator, and a predator is weak by nature, it is a place to be free of thought and persecution. To dominate the weak that makes SL their home. And, it is a place for the weak to not be judged, a place that they can feel and accept that who they are is ok, even if it is with the few. Some people can handle the trials and tribulations of life, some can’t and they end up in SL. You start to see a symbiotic circle of relationships in SL. For the people designing objects to sell, they may not interact totally and directly with the person/s and, their sales may come from across the board. The newbie that is playing the “game” to the obsessed, but, the obsessed is a long term customer. Theses business individuals usually get in, add new product, convert their lindens to dollars or pounds and get out.The tragedy is the weak and broken. Don’t roll your eyes, In the Real World we are always conned with flashy marketing to get us to buy something or believe something in order to be more acceptable. Magic creams or potions. Don’t kid yourself; Second Life is about making money. Making money off of what? Our loneliness and our lack of self worth in the real world. HELLO, McFly!! It is called Second Life.It might be simple, you build a club, people come and visit or create a group, and you solicit for members. People get together and boom, you feel wanted and needed. Building your dream home in the clouds and littering your lawn with cool things like jets and swimming pools. That can make you popular. Walking in a park with your perfect Avatar girlfriend/boyfriend, no RL issues so it is a perfect relationship. That leads to good puppet sex. Mmmm nice. All this is accomplished by tugging on your weakness, your emotional frailty. Either you are not getting it in RL or are too afraid to face the truth of how to exist in RL. You can’t handle the truth and if you are a long term SL puppet, you just can’t handle life, Real Life. Don’t get me wrong, we all like to escape from time to time.In some places it is much darker, like I said before, predators hunting the weak. The Gorean Master and the slaves that he takes control of. This one is unusual, in that the Master has total control over the slave. The “slave” giving not only total control of their Avatar, and who can communicate to them, but also, control as to when they will or will not talk to what they can wear. Believe me this does carry over to real life. Imagine the fun of kneeling next to your Avatar Master and saying nothing. Second life being nothing more then a place to be told what to do, serving fake food and ale. You want to call it guided, or taught? Hey, what ever floats your boat? I know just a video game, right? This setup just allows the predator to get in that persons head and develop a false sense of security. Tell that to your husband, wife, girlfriend, or boyfriend. Why you are glued to the PC instead of enjoying life, REAL LIFE. And, couples also get on there too, as couples, this is a nutty one. Worked hard all week, beautiful weekend, and, you both are on a computer, every free moment, building and designing that special home, having that child you never could have. (Yes, people do play the part of the child.) I find it unhealthy when instead of developing a better real life and real relationship in RL. You take that precious time and waste it. Yes, ok… You are free to do what you want. But there are plenty of damaged people on SL. And your fantasy could be causing them to loose sense of reality, along with your lost sense of reality. Their marriages, get funky, destroyed, their children get neglected. And you get a ridiculous God complex that makes you anti social in the Real World, which just plummets yourself deeper in to SL. Cha Ching! Sweet business you got Linden People.You have the 50+ couple that spends every “free” moment in SL being the King and Queen. Oh, and so good to their obedient subjects. At their beckons call, at their total command. Or, the sexual perverts. Ok, my opinion….. That can now live out the fantasy of doing it with a farm animal. Or, kneeling down and being the public toilet. Sex is rampant in SL. The anonymous nature of your avatar is something too. You really do not know if the man is a woman or the woman is a man, plenty of men that are living out their desire to be a Transsexual, or a woman. Plenty of women that want to love another woman, so she hides in the body of a man. I guess what you don’t know won’t hurt you. Hey, no one is getting hurt, no aids. Nicey nice. The soul is willing but the flesh is weak. So, the wall that SL provides, allows for an easier transition to experiment. Sad part is as your getting deeper and deeper; you are getting more lost in fantasy then reality and they start to blend. Actually, you probably were lost between the two to begin with. Now you go out into the real world. Take a break; meet one of your SL friends. Break the rule, cross that line; remember SL and RL are supposed to be two different places. People meet up, some get married, the rare few. But mostly it is a letdown, disappointment, and harm to others. It is a dirty little secret. Who wants to tell people that you got into that trouble because you decided to meet your “make believe” friend?Lips stay sealed, people get hurt. And in the end, the only place they feel right, the only place that people understand is right back on Second Life. CHA CHING!
Totally agree with above comment and article. Just want to add that the whole Gorean concept will attract sociopathic men in abundance. How very convenient that this world has banned men showing love (considered weak) - - they can take their mask off here as they cannot do so in reality. We wonder how there are Fritzl's in society - well - here is your answer. Thankfully 97% of real men in our society finjd this Gorean crap hideous. I think it would have to be a coward of the highest order to feel they need to collar a woman, just shows their own lack of self confidence in being a proper man. Anyone needing to live in a story book is scared of reality - certainly not a man.A weak response. You obviously have no idea what you speak of. I know this comment is old but it needs an answer. Yes, I will say, Gor has many pathetic men that only want to collar women to feel better about themselves. Not all of them are like this. Actually, with the right man, you will probably see that he is more man then any of this "97% of real men" you speak of. A slave to Master relationship is not about a power trip, it is about love, yes, love and trust, a lot of trust. A man will only truly own a slave be it another man or woman if he has self-confidence and self-control. He has to be a Master of himself before he can one of others. A man that is all that and his slave a true one ready to give themselves to each other will experience a truly deep relationship with none of the involved parties being hurt.Don't be a hypocrite, I can sense your anger because I'm 90% sure you'd be happier with role reversal, as in, the woman in control. I've no problem with that, whatever makes you happy. But do NOT spit your anger and spite at us because you can't get all men to be submissive and at your feet.
Go to the Gorean Public Boards and get yourself a login. Many of the men are married. They are teachers, clergy, husbands, fathers, could be your next door neighbor. They claim they are proud and honorable but about none share their real names or professions. I'm in the process of telling what I have learned through the years as an infiltrate. I'm sharing the information with Dateline and other news venues. If you are proud and honorable, then by all means step up MEN, show who you are behind the **Master** login name because soon enough I'm gonna do it for you. That goes for the females too.Gorean public boards have been a joke for years. It's run by men who are nearing 70 years old, after girls in their 20's and thirties. That should be the first clue and red flag. If anyone remembers the Charles Manson days where the women would fall all over him thinking he was so dominate and powerful, it's almost the same. Marcus of Ar is one of the main characters and no one really knows or has seen him, certainly not the general public. There are "stories" of grand meetings and so on, but he seems to be a fictional charachter as far as I can tell. If not, he stays well hidden save his many writings and stories of days gone by living the Gorean life. You will notice that while they claim to be intelligent individuals, they greet each other by using a "space alien counter earth" greeting "Tal". Now and then you'll see them speak in this "counter earth" language.Actually Marcus of Ar is a really great guy. Not fictional at all. He is intelligent, articulate, athletic, handsome, and a 'go getter.'I've been around the Gorean public boards for more than a decade. While I am sure there are some older men there, such a broad, sweeping statement is ridiculous.Usually those who point fingers are only doing so to hide their own shortcomings. Perhaps you need to ponder that for awhile.
I'll be checking out my kids teachers more closely. Thank you.
For the record, have lived the Gorean life. Have talked to many about it. Yes SOME do "primitive camping", sword fighting and other things. It is the other things that is the issue. A Gorean slave will tell you how much pleasure it brings them. You will find a broken background with every one. I lived the "lifestyle" as I felt it worked, mostly to appease the "slave" I crossed paths with. I did my best to avoid damaging my partners already damage outlook on life. She being a "Gorean slave". Actually what she though she was from all the role playing in a VR environment. Very dangerous to bring into the real world. Goreans will say that then I am not REALLY a Gorean. I believe in being the man of the house, and my partner believes in being the woman. We both have a responsibility to one another and respect what each sex ( Male and Female) bring to the table. But the fantasy world of Gor corrupts. Sorry kiddies... It produces nothing more then a satomasicist dichotomy. When a woman decides to be nothing more valuable then the car in the driveway and the slave craves this. It brings all the bastards out to play. Nice calm bastards, with jobs, kids and a smile on their face.. I wanted to raise her up with respect and unity. That is not a slaves cup of tea, they are happiest when they feel unimportant.
They all hide behind there right to do what they want. And they are right. That is the only right thing. If Gor was the main stream form of relationships here on EARTH. We would all be back in the 5th century.
I don't have any issues about some group thinking or pretending they are from another planet. I guess there could be worse out there. What I don't get is why they talk like they are from another planet. If they are professionals and adults and state they just live by the **philosophies** that's cool. Why do they feel the need to use this language that is fiction. Why not just say hello.
Sick, twisted, perverts are accurate. When I hear these are professionals in our community is what I find disturbing. What if my childs coach is into this Gorean thing? When I hear of them teaching their children the Gorean values what does that mean? When my teenage daughter is in a college or high school class and her professor is into this, what does that mean? Do these men look at her as some potential Gorean slave? When I have a parent teacher conference, do they treat me different because I am a woman? Do boys get better treatment than the girls? I say show yourselves for who you are. Stop hiding behind computer names and first names. If you are so proud, then give your real names. Unless you think what you are doing is dirty and would not be accepted by the real world. If you really believe in what you are, then you should not be afraid to show your true selves.
I seriously don't understand the men who read these books.The women — yes. They have a creepy submissive fantasy and feel desperately powerless in their lives and seek validation by being treated as object by a fantasy lover. ( and when you look at things, it's really the slaves the rule Gor..they are the ones who "decide" which master they want )The men, however, appear to merely be incapable of actually recognizing women as human beings. It would stagger me if they had any meaningful emotional contact with the opposite sex at all other then the desperate females of Gor. It's frankly sociopathic.Is it surprising they tend to be obese and less than good looking?
Make your choice wisely after watching, observing and learning. Never make quick snap judgments... but do remember a Free Woman can become a slave, either by choice or at the hand of a Gorean Male and once a slave there is no turning back.Having spent a time in gor, I find that statement hilarious. Most of the free women used to be slaves. It seems like once they found and married thier owners, they were freed. ( most claim it was because they were with child ) we all know that's an excuse. No one knows/cares if you are a submissive person when giving birth. State that it's the gorean way to free them while with child. Okay, but what happened to that lovely, demure, slave girl who only wanted to serve? She has morphed into an opinionated, loud mouthed free woman. Perhaps that's who she was all along, she simply did not allow anyone to see it, before she snagged her man.Gor is a womans world..plain and simple. Men are necessary for sure, but the women got this $%&*@$%& under control.
Most men who frequent Gor online and are married, the wife has no clue.
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